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Total carbon variables for codetable 1-01-01.csv #168
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@joergklausen can it be closed as no issue here? |
Franziska: needs a Proposal and Reason, and branch with new entries along the lines of what we already have. It is clear that we will review the structure of the table more holistically, but adding new variables is more achievable right now. |
Summary and Purpose Proposal
Reason |
should total carbon be organic carbonaceous or this is measurement specific? |
I am not sure if this question was directed to me. But total carbon for us is related to the total of both elemental carbon and organic carbon. I believe that the "path" is misleading if "Total carbon" is specified under inorganic carbon since it usually refers to both inorganic and organic carbon. |
What does 'corrected' mean? |
A few comments:
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P.S.: The term "corrected" should probably go into a modifier in the WIGOS vocabulary, and it should state the type of correction more specifically. |
P.P.S.: One more comment concerning the structure of the "particle phase" branch. The structure distinguishes between "physical properties - primary" and "physical properties - secondary". If we distinguish that way, we would also need to do that for the optical properties, which is not the case today. However, I think we should drop that distinction alltogether. A property isn't per se primary or secondary. That depends on how the property was obtained. That type of information should not be part of the variable name, but stored in a modifier. |
Based on "Recommendations for reporting “black carbon” measurements" by A Petzold et al., The recommended definition for "Total Carbon Mass" is "the mass of all carbonaceous matter in airborne particles". Traditional definition is "EC + OC", like mentioned by Markus. Agree with Markus that BC is a qualitive variable, which represents a variety light-absorbing carbonaceous particulate (or particle) phase components. "Total Carbon" should be under "Composition", not under inorganic or organic carbonaceous |
Updated proposal:
Other changes of the path structure, terms and modifiers depend on #173 and #181 and require further discussion. |
Branch: https://github.com/wmo-im/wmds/tree/Issue168 |
@richard-olav, @gaochen-larc, could you confirm the branch, please? |
@fstuerzl, I'm a little confused about the proposed names. Just before Christmas, we had a telecon where we found ways to store modifiers like PM1, PM10, etc. in WMDS elements outside the variable name to prevent the list of variables from blowing up. We also agreed that the way forward would be to store these modifiers not in the variable names, but other places in the metadata record. If we now define names that include modifiers, we are locked in, or we need to change them again very soon. I would propose to leave these out. |
Another issue we need to discuss is particle sizing technique. The particle size is very much sizing technique dependent. The air quality standard of PM2.5 is defined as aerodynamic diameter <= 2.5 um. Depending on the density of the particles, the geometric size may be significant less than 2 um. |
@gaochen-larc, the particle size will be removed from the variable names and instead we would like to include the particle size as a sampling feature. I reopened the this issue, because the variable "total carbon" itself is still missing from the code list.
Proposals for definition:
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@markusfiebig, please provide consolidated proposal for terms, paths and definitions to be included (total carbon, black carbon, ...) . |
Here are my 5 cents on these definitions:
Didn't include a definition for black carbon since we are dealing with observed properties, and black carbon cannot be observed - only properties of black carbon can be observed. |
@markusfiebig Shouldn't inorganic carbon be included as a part of 'total carbon'? Cyanide, (bi)carbonate, etc? |
@joergklausen The method used to determine elemental and organic carbon distributes inorganic carbon between the first 2 classes. I updated the definition accordingly, also updated the definition of elemental carbon. |
The updated definition looks good to me. Thanks! |
Suggestion for slight re-phrasing of description, namely drop 'assumed to be': "[...] It is inert and nonvolatile under atmospheric conditions and insoluble in any solvent." Reason: In a definition, there shouldn't be assumptions. |
There's a reason why "assumed to be" is written there. The reference methods for measuring elemental carbon cannot assure that the assumption is met. |
Consolidated proposal (as discussed in WG ACV): Branchhttps://github.com/wmo-im/wmds/blob/Issue168/tables_en/1-01-01.csv Summary and PurposeAdd descriptions to existing variables for total and elemental carbon. Stakeholder(s)WG ACV Proposal
ReasonAddition of missing descriptions |
The expressions PM10 and coarse are partly contradicting. PM10 means coarse+fine+ultrafine. For the new names, we should only use PM10, and omit coarse. |
Agreed.
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Branch
https://github.com/wmo-im/wmds/blob/Issue168/tables_en/1-01-01.csv
Summary and Purpose
Add descriptions to existing variables for total and elemental carbon.
Stakeholder(s)
WG ACV
Proposal
Reason
Addition of missing descriptions
original comment
I am not able to find the representations for the variables below in the codetable 1-01-01.csv Observed variable - measurand (atmosphere):
ebas_varibale_name, cf_name,matrix
total_carbon,mass_concentration_of_total_carbon_in_pm10_minus_pm1_in_air,pm10_pm1
total_carbon,mass_concentration_of_total_carbon_in_pm10_minus_pm2p5_in_air,pm10_pm25
total_carbon,mass_concentration_of_total_carbon_in_pm2p5_in_air,pm25
total_carbon_corrected,mass_concentration_of_total_carbon_corrected_in_pm2p5_in_air,pm25
total_carbon,mass_concentration_of_total_carbon_in_dry_aerosol_particles_in _air,aerosol
Could they be added?
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