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[Feature][enhancement] Citations as specific "objects" #5006

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chtiland opened this issue Jul 7, 2024 · 5 comments
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[Feature][enhancement] Citations as specific "objects" #5006

chtiland opened this issue Jul 7, 2024 · 5 comments

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@chtiland
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chtiland commented Jul 7, 2024

Hello

Since "proofs" on an event or a fact comes from the "Citation" of a "Source" (witch is "stored" in a repository), it would be nice to to consider them as specific "object" linked to "Source", because a citation of a source is often the same for many events.

Example (in french) :

  • Repository : "Archives départementales du Nord"
    • Source : "Registre des mariages de Lille [1948]"
      • Citation : "Acte de mariage de DUPONT X MARCHAND"

In "Acte de mariage de DUPONT X MARCHAND" we found (in braces events that should be attached to the same citation):

  • Information about marriage itself.
  • Information about Husband and Wife {Birth, Residence, Occupation} x 2
  • Information about their parents {Birth, Death, Residence, Occupation} x 4
  • Information about witnesses where some can be members of the family {link, occupation, birth}
  • Sometimes information about "recognition and legitimization of a child or more" (individual changing family name, Recognition, legitimization)
  • Rarely (but should happen) registar (employee, mayor etc.) is a member of the familly

This citation could be "attached" to more than 20 events.

I took a marriage as an example, but it also happens with many kind of documents :

  • Recensement (census) : Family (Parents, Children, sometimes other members) => Birth, Occupation, Residence, Employee*
  • Dossier professionel (Professional file) : Individual, Familly => Birth, Death, Occupation
  • Military file : Individual => Birth, Death, Occupation (in civilian life), Residence, Physical description (height, eye colour, hair, etc.)

So when, later, adding any information about a citation, (eg. : enter TEXT, not NOTE, from the digital version of the document, or its translation) would require only one modification, and not as much as there are event linked to "Source".

Or do I missed something about Citations in Webtrees ?

@fisharebest
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This is a good idea - but it is not part of the GEDCOM specification.

It has been discussed for inclusion in a future version. e.g. FamilySearch/GEDCOM#455

When it is part of the standard, I will include it in webtrees.

@Norwegian-Sardines
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Until GEDCOM normalizes the Source_Citation someone could write a module that adds a citation to a set of specific INDI. tags!

@chtiland
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Not in GEDCOM specs... but Gramps does it (and probably other software), and Gramps Web too... so I no longer use Webtrees.

@Norwegian-Sardines
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Not in GEDCOM specs... but Gramps does it (and probably other software), and Gramps Web too... so I no longer use Webtrees.

Enjoy your use of Gramps.

@fisharebest
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I agree this would be useful.

The GEDCOM maintainers are considering this - FamilySearch/GEDCOM#348

When a they define the structure, I will add support for it. Until then, I'm afraid this is a won't-fix.

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