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Pages: Add posts page option to Add New Page #67648

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@mikachan mikachan commented Dec 5, 2024

What?

This adds an additional page option to the Add New Page button on the Pages view, "Blog", when a static homepage is set, but page_for_posts is unset.

I've also opened a separate PR that includes adding an action to reset the posts page from the Pages view, as I think it's important these options are introduced at a similar time to this PR: #67650.

Why?

Addresses #63667.

How?

Updates the AddNewPostModal function to handle creating a posts page in addition to creating a regular page. Based on the design in #63667.

When the new option is selected, a new page is created, published, and set as the latest posts page. The new page must be published immediately as the posts page cannot be a draft.

Testing Instructions

  1. Ensure the homepage is set to a static page
  2. Go to Editor -> Pages
  3. Click "Add New Page" at the top
  4. You should see a new dropdown menu with "Regular page" and "Blog" as options
  5. Click "Blog"
  6. Create a new posts page

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@mikachan mikachan added [Type] Enhancement A suggestion for improvement. [Feature] Site Editor Related to the overarching Site Editor (formerly "full site editing") labels Dec 5, 2024
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It works 🎊

Would it be feasible to use the Menu component for the dropdown? That way the appearance will be consistent with other menus found in DataViews.

Note: The posts page cannot be a draft, so it will be published immediately.

Good instinct to include this note, and the 'Publish' label on the primary button. However, I totally missed it 🙈 Likely because it looks like help text for the input, so I subconsciously assumed it would be talking about the name of the new page. So I was surprised to see the page instantly published on creation.

I should probably have paid more attention, but I wonder if it would be worth using Notice above the input for this message? That will make it more likely to be read, and avoid confusion with help text.

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I second Jay's thoughts—this information deserves to be more prominent. I also wonder if we should let the user decide where the page will be added: which menu, category, position. Otherwise, they may wonder if it'll be immediately visible to visitors or put somewhere they'll not be able to find it easily.

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t-hamano commented Dec 6, 2024

I may not fully understand the background of this PR, so please excuse me if I'm wrong.

Personally, I'm not sure if implementing this dropdown will be useful to users.

  • I'm sure there are many sites that don't create post pages. For those sites, it's annoying to have this dropdown every time they try to create a new page.
  • For post pages, the page is published immediately. This is different from the normal page publishing flow.

Instead of this dropdown, how about adding an action like "Set as posts page" to already published pages, similar to the "Set as homepage" action?

Either way, I think it might be a good idea to get some feedback from @WordPress/outreach to see how many users would like this dropdown.

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That's good feedback @t-hamano.

Instead of this dropdown, how about adding an action like "Set as posts page" to already published pages, similar to the "Set as homepage" action?

That is under way in #67650 :)

Perhaps we hold off on this PR and see how 67650 goes?

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mikachan commented Dec 6, 2024

Thanks all!

Would it be feasible to use the Menu component for the dropdown? That way the appearance will be consistent with other menus found in DataViews.

Yes, this sounds like it'll work well, I was completely guessing at the components I used here 😅

I wonder if it would be worth using Notice above the input for this message?

Great idea!

I also wonder if we should let the user decide where the page will be added: which menu, category, position.

Ah this is interesting, I didn't think of providing more options before creating the page. It makes me think that publishing the page immediately perhaps isn't the best flow, as the user hasn't had the opportunity to edit any page settings before publishing.

For those sites, it's annoying to have this dropdown every time they try to create a new page.

True, it would definitely become annoying on a site where the conditions always mean that this dropdown is shown.

Perhaps we hold off on this PR and see how 67650 goes?

Yes, this sounds good. I wasn't sure which area to focus on first and I nearly bundled both of these PRs into one, but then this modal does feel slightly different to the other actions, and separating it out makes things easier to review. I'll continue over in #67650 for now.

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I agree that seeing this every time would be annoying (for pro users) and confusing (for other users). It gets in the way of a streamlined content creation process and IMO tries to move an administrative process into an editorial one.

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Yeah, I agree with a lot of the feedback others have already shared.

Yes, we need to make it easier / more discoverable for users to decide what they want their blog page to be. But this here is too discoverable in my opinion.

Changing this setting can have quite detrimental effects on your site, so it should only be done if you know what you are doing. And once it is set it should almost never actually get changed by someone again.

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Let's close and continue exploring design options in #63667?

Thanks for the work here @mikachan, seeing designs 'live' really helps validate/invalidate the ideas :)

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mikachan commented Dec 9, 2024

Let's close and continue exploring design options in #63667?

Sounds good to me 👍

seeing designs 'live' really helps validate/invalidate the ideas :)

Glad to hear this, it really helps me understand and work through the issues we're trying to solve too!

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