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Comment Content block: Update placeholder copy #67468

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@ockham ockham commented Dec 2, 2024

What?

Update the placeholder copy of the Comment Content block in the editor to read "This is the Comment Content block." instead of just "Comment Content".

(I'm open to other suggestion 🙂)

Why?

To make it less terse, and more consistent with the Post Content block:

<p>
{ __(
'This is the Content block, it will display all the blocks in any single post or page.'
) }
</p>
<p>
{ __(
'That might be a simple arrangement like consecutive paragraphs in a blog post, or a more elaborate composition that includes image galleries, videos, tables, columns, and any other block types.'
) }
</p>
<p>
{ __(
'If there are any Custom Post Types registered at your site, the Content block can display the contents of those entries as well.'
) }
</p>

How?

By replacing a string.

Testing Instructions

In the Site Editor, view any template that contains the Comments block (and thus, the Comment Content block). Or insert one.

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@ockham ockham added Needs Design Feedback Needs general design feedback. [Type] Copy Issues or PRs that need copy editing assistance [Block] Comments Affects the Comments Block - formerly known as Comments Query Loop labels Dec 2, 2024
@ockham ockham self-assigned this Dec 2, 2024
@ockham ockham marked this pull request as ready for review December 2, 2024 11:02
@ockham ockham requested a review from ajitbohra as a code owner December 2, 2024 11:02
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@ockham ockham force-pushed the update/comment-content-block-placeholder-copy branch from ca50c52 to 0f5f258 Compare December 3, 2024 18:23
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Seems like a step in the right direction to me :)

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It's a step in the right direction, yes, however I think we can do even better.

Keep in mind, this text serves not just the purpose of being a placeholder, it serves as some visual style indication: "your comment will look like this". That's one of the reasons the Post Content placeholder is a fair bit longer, to better indicate: a lot of text might go here.

Could we do, instead:

This is the Comment Content block. It displays the text of user comments submitted on your site, ranging from short remarks to longer, multi-paragraph responses.

A bit dry still, but captures the spirit of the Post Content block.

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ockham commented Dec 5, 2024

I like it! Applied in 050e926. Thank you @jasmussen!

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I guess it looks a bit repeated. I'm okay if others are okay, but just to be sure: would it be possible to show different placeholder content for the nested comments? Perhaps just in the combined block?

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ockham commented Dec 9, 2024

I guess it looks a bit repeated.

Yeah, I can’t argue with that 😅 FWIW, we’re displaying three nested comments in the Site Editor to illustrate the concept of comments nesting. But we could do things differently, e.g. show only one. Do you think that's preferable?

I'm okay if others are okay, but just to be sure: would it be possible to show different placeholder content for the nested comments? Perhaps just in the combined block?

Hmm, which one do you mean with "combined" block? The top level (i.e. first) one?

I'll try and tweak it a bit, but I'm not sure we can easily change the placeholder text in one instance of the Comment Content block but not in the others (or at least not without e.g. requiring an extra block attribute just for the placeholders -- which wouldn't make any sense IMO).

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But we could do things differently, e.g. show only one. Do you think that's preferable?

No, we definitely need to show multiple, to show that comments can nest. What I mean is this, in ASCII mockup:

> This is the Comment Content block. It displays the text of user comments submitted on your site, ranging from short remarks to longer, multi-paragraph responses.

> > This is a nested Comment Content block. It shows how comments can thread.

> > > This is a 2nd level nested Comment Content block.

Essentially you'd need to contextually override the placeholder content based on the nesting level, just so this default state is visually improved.

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ockham commented Dec 10, 2024

Gotcha, makes sense 👍

Unfortunately, implementing different copy for each placeholder seems prohibitively complex 😕

So I had a look at the code, and it seems like this would require a lot of changes to make it work. The problem is basically that we currently don't have any way to tell the comment content placeholders apart. The component renders a placeholder if the commentId it gets from context is null; this is set by the containing Comment Template block in the Site Editor.

Internally, that block does use negative values for comment IDs to distinguish placeholders; but unfortunately, if we start passing those to its child blocks (rather than replacing them with null, as we do now), not only do we have to add logic to look out for those negative commentIds in the Comment Content block, but in all blocks that could be used inside of the Comment Template block (i.a. all that use commentId context) -- that includes Avatar, Comment Author, Comment Date, etc. We will also have to notify authors of 3rd party blocks that use commentId context (via a Dev Note, most likely). The problem is slightly exacerbated by the fact that we typically fetch comment data based on commentId via a hook (e.g. useEntityProp), which need to be called unconditionally.

Finally, this still doesn't really give us any way to know if a block placeholder is nested or not. Even if we assign fixed negative numbers to the placeholders' commentId (e.g. first is -1, second is -2, third is -3), we cannot simply infer the nesting level from that, as there's a possibility that nesting is disabled (or set to only 1 level of nesting) in Settings > Discussion, which we actually reflect in the way we render comment placeholders:

No threading Threading level set to 2
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Sooo I think it's not worth it 😬
Think it's okay to repeat the same copy in all comments? Should we tweak it a bit more to make it terser?

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Yes indeed. Thanks for trying these things, and exploring, it helps map out the territory.

Upon reflection, because it's duplicated, we may need to go simple after all. Perhaps we go back, almost to the start, and say:

Comment Content block.

It's barely different from what's shipping in trunk, but perhaps it threads the needle? Not sure, we can also go all the way back to "This is the.." etc. Outside of the larger improvements outlined, this may be where we have to end up after all.

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ockham commented Dec 10, 2024

I had another idea that doesn't require so many changes: 2189aef With it, I'm able to tell the first comment apart from all the others (while it's still impossible to tell those others apart from each other).

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Let me know if you like this better, and/or if I should tweak the copy. (FWIW, I can also infer if threading is enabled, but won't be able to tell if a comment is top-level or nested.)

Edit: Spoke too soon. I'm not getting the first comment in the template, but the currently selected one (which happens to default to the first one). This means that with my latest change, the copy would change depending on which comment you click on. I'll revert.

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gziolo commented Dec 12, 2024

Could you use React context to detect which Comment Content block is in the thread? If that doable the you could use the context provider to change the value indicating if the comment is top level or not.

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