[Experimental] Manual Fan Control #2272
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At this setting, the fan speed on the left side of the machine(CPU fan) is at full speed. |
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@FliesQQ how fast fans will speed up still depends on hardware of course :) actual command is being sent immediately (i.e. every second) |
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So this is already very good now. |
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If GPU and CPU both in use, seems like CPU fan curve not function correct. |
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I didn't mean the one about this experimental build, I actually asked if there is any documentation about what all the entries in config.json mean and what they do. Thank you anyway. I would also like to point out something like this. With this 0.194 beta version, I was able to control the fan on my 2021 asus tuf gaming f17 model code device, which I normally could not control the fan. However, today I upgraded to 0.195 pre-release version and the fan control was canceled. First I closed ghelper completely, then I deleted the GHelper folder in %AppData%, then I deleted the exe file of GHelper. Then I downloaded the 0.194 stable version and when I tried again, the fan control did not work again. Then I did the same thing again, deleted everything that needed to be deleted, downloaded this beta version and it worked. But here's the thing, I started using the beta version and then the stable version came, I upgraded to the stable version and it was working. I deleted everything and installed the 0.194 stable version and it stopped working, I don't understand why this happened? |
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@abdulkadirozyurt Power user settings - is a full list of config settings that you may change (that don't exist in UI) If you are using Experimental build - you need to keep using it , mainstream branch does not have this manual fan control. |
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Okay, I get it now, so I shouldn't update until I see this experimental feature in the new stable release description, right? Will this feature come to the stable release in the future? |
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Yes, you should download updates from this thread only :) I don't plan to merge manual fan control into mainstream branch yet. |
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I got it. |
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@FliesQQ values that is being set look correct and along the fan curve. You have mentioned that fans take time to spin up, most probably it’s slightly lagging because of that. Cause, as I understand, temps jump quickly in your testing :) |
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Yes, the temperature changes too quickly and the fan responds too slowly. If the temperature fluctuates, it is possible that the temperature has risen, but the fan speed setting is still at the low temperature speed. |
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@FliesQQ fan "setting" is what you see in a red label (so it's practically instant). But how fast actual fans would react on this - is something outside of my control unfortunately |
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Yes, it's really a pity. |
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@FliesQQ you can tackle that with a fan curve :) rise it to higher RPMs a bit faster P.S. I have also updated build in the header-message, now it will refresh speeds once every 500ms (so twice more frequent) |
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Before this update it was impossible for me to set a custom fan curve because of the bios rejecting it, now I can finally set the one I want! Thank you so much! EDIT: My Laptop is TUF A15 with an RTX 3050 |
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Great news |
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Log extract: 2024-03-23 20:43:21: Mode = 0 : OK As you can see, the FanCPU and FanGPU percentages don't match what is actually running (confirmed by hwinfo fan reading) |
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@fscottcopeland can you switch scale to RPM? Asus has quite specific interpretation of % points :) |
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Here you go. I've included my HWiNFO graphs too, in case it helps. GPU seems to hit ~71c and then jumps to 5000RPM, despite the 70c point being 4200RPM and 75c being 4600RPM. CPU doesn't seem right either. |
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The frustrating thing is that if I disable the custom fan curve, the fans then run slower - e.g. the GPU fan won't then jump to 5000rpm as soon as it hits 70c. |
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@Summersoff what's your laptop? Duo 16 2023 too? |
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@Summersoff then it's just a BIOS idiot-protection, which is actually ... good :) I have similar behavior on my ROG Ally. It would keep fans off until something like 55-60C and then no matter what app sets to it - will ramp them up. |
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@fscottcopeland if you disable custom fan curve, it's back to whatever default fan behavior is for each of your modes :) |
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Yeah. Such a shame. The stock balanced fan curve isn't aggressive enough - whilst the manual fan curve gets overridden and then becomes OTT. I really need a balance in between. |
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Thank you so much! it works great! |
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@yesnt10 amazing |
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Testing it atm. Seems to work fine so far. Though an optional hysteresis feature would be nice, cause I hear the fans whooshing up and down often |
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@manciuszz they do :) because one main complains that people accuse G-Helper of - is that fans are "slow" to react and "don't follow curve precisely" (even though when fans are controlled by BIOS it's absolutely not related to the app) I can add a hysteresis in a form of calculating an average of CPU / GPU temps for last 3 or 5 seconds, instead of acting immediately |
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That would be a nice to have. Preferably, hysteresis could be adjustable by the user, that would allow the user to set their preference whether they want faster reaction times or more stable fan speeds. I personally don't hear the fans because I'm wearing a headset, but I don't think the fans should be whooshing up and down that often either xD |
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@manciuszz I have updated build in the main post, and added default hystheresis in a form of using average temperature for last 6 seconds. It can be also adjusted via config. |
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Very nice. I'll check it out. --- EDIT --- |
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@manciuszz my idea to keep things simple on this stage |
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I've give up using this function... Now I'm using default setting.
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主题: Re: [seerge/g-helper] [Experimental] Manual Fan Control (Discussion #2272)
@Summersoff<https://github.com/Summersoff> "same problem" in what sense ?
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@FliesQQ no worries, default fan curves are best choice for majority :) Btw I did few more tweaks, and updated release in a header-message here. So you may also check that and see if fans react faster now (or not) |
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Nice feature, thanks! |
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And it can fully turn off it after I switch to Turbo and back to Silence. |
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@ElluIFX since it shows 0% in red label, this is what app actually sets as fan speed. As I mentioned in other comment here, it is possible that BIOS would override that as an idiot-protection if CPU is too hot for it's thinking. |
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@seerge That's really stupid. |
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PS: 0.154.0 can set minimal 1800RPM and real 1800~2400 RPM |
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Currently I have set min fan speed to be 25% and max 100% correspondingly (for most laptops 25% would be 1800-2000RPM) Theoretically i can allow even 1% in manual mode, but i'm not sure if it's healthy for the fans ... |
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Recently i use my G14 almost only PDF and Powerpoint reading, so light, lang battery life and quiet are much important. Maybe i should buy Macbook Air M3...But now G14 works also very well. |
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I think for office use you can get away with fans being completely off at all. Its also good for battery life |
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Yeah, and i have heard about, 4800HS performance better than newest 7840H under 10W, a Surprise. |
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I bought my laptop in 2019, and Armory Crate didn't allow me to make manual fan adjustments. Since then, I've been researching for a solution every few months. Then I found you and have been using your software, constantly checking for updates, but I still couldn't find a solution for fan adjustments... until today. It's working perfectly now, and your software allows me to make manual fan adjustments. My device is ASUS TUF 506LI. I think the only thing left for me is one setting; being able to undervolt directly on my device without the ThrottleStop application. |
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I'm glad it works |
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Working exactly as expected on G713RW. GHelper keeps on delivering!
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When I completely shut down the fans, I occasionally encounter a blue screen error. On the blue screen, I see an error code like 'fail tdr'. Prior to the blue screen, there are black screens resembling the graphics card attempting to restart itself, followed by the blue screen error. I don't think it's due to overheating because I monitor the temperatures and they usually hover around 50-60 degrees. |
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Are you sure it's related ? may be it's just some gpu issues? try to run fans on minimal speeds otherwise :) |
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I've set the fans to 1800rpm and never encounter a blue screen, but sometimes, when I turn off the fans, it gives a blue screen error at an uncertain time. To make sure, I formatted the computer and installed Windows 11. I've installed all drivers and will test it. |
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@hadixcanimm well, apparently something is overheating then :) it may be not CPU or GPU directly, but something on the motherboard itself or so (w/o own temperature sensor). And running fans apparently keep it in a good condition probably :) |
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Thank you! Works a lot better to control the fans on Zephyrus G14 2024 (GA403UI). |
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@l-naumann ok. Problem is that different models seem to have different minimum fan speed (and corresponding fan % setting that triggers that) . At first my idea to mimic asus own fan curves, where 0% = OFF, and 1% = is usually something like 1800RPM (or around 25% of max speed), so people will not have to re-edit their fan curves when they switch. Reality is more complicated than it is. Also there is some deviations from actual set value (in %) and real fan speed often. On my G14 2022 20% setting = 25% speed, but from what I have seen here sometimes deviation reaches up to 15% in total ... :| |
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@seerge I see. Maybe the automatic calibration could identify when fans start spinning by increasing fans in 1% steps, starting at 0%. When fans start spinning, add 1-2% as a safety margin and set it as new min percentage. |
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@l-naumann I have updated build in main post, now it should re-apply fan speeds after wake up no matter what |
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@seerge Thank you, seems to work! Could you please provide a build with min fan percentage = 0% again? Apart from that, this version is perfect for me. |
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@l-naumann i have updated build in main post again. Now you can set min-fan speed as a parameter in config |
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Hello Seerge, Last update seems to have broken in my computer the ability to change fan speed.. thanks in advance pd: tried to reinstall Asus System Control but it didn't help |
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@sunlooksgreen hello, there are no changes related to fan control in 0.197 . I'm just merging other (unrelated) updates from the mainstream branch into this one periodically. Upload the log form the app here. |
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ok here they are: and here is a screenshot..
don't know what happened.. before I could read in red the fan's data whereas now it says model not supported.. Thanks Seerge! Regards |
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@sunlooksgreen I think you are just using a mainstream build now (not the one from this branch), probably cause you have auto-updated to it. Just download one from the head post in this thread and you will be ok. |
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Thanks Seerge! will check it out and report back |
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You were right Seerge.. just reinstalled and everything back to normal; thnks! |
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Amazing tool, thank you! I noticed sometimes when I reboot, the fan curve does not automatically apply, even though I set the tool to Run on Startup. Another question please: is there a reason why we cannot run the fans at a lower RPM than 20% (in my case 1400 RPM)? Can we at least have the possibility to try at 15 or 10%? If it does not work, then we can run it up to 20%. |
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Ohh got it. Can can do so by RPM instead, for example, right now the lowest I can set in the graph is 1400 RPM, can I set it to 800RPM in the config file? |
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You can't set RPM, you can set minimum percentage (as this is the unit being used to send a command to a driver) |
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Thanks! One last thing. I did the calibration, and I set it to 1400RPM, however under the main Ghelper window, it still show 2000-2100 RPM. |
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@zackriso cause calibration only measures how much RPM would 100% be (and adjusts that if needed). Min RPM on Y-axis is hardcoded to 1800 (which corresponds to ~20% in most of the cases). Since you lowered that - it's not aware, so just ignore that |
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Ahh got it. in my case, I do see 1400 RPM as the lowest value, then 1600, and then 1800. Each has an actually different fan speed |
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How do I "reset" Ghelper to 100% defaults, including resetting all calibrations done, and so on? |
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@zackriso calibration is only needed for correct RPM display on Y-axis on the chart, it's cosmetic. |
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From my testing, Calibration seems to work best only when the "Apply Custom Fan Curve" is unchecked. Otherwise, it acts weird. And I think once I set the fan_min to let's say 15%, I think the calibration has to be run again. |
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Sorry for my too many questions, but I just love this tool! Anyway to set the CPU temp limit under Advanced to a lower value than 75C? |
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@seerge Any ideas? |
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@zackriso you can do that by adding param to config. But i do not advice it as it makes not much sense. By reaching throttle temp CPU just drops it's power, so you will end up having something like 10w power limit with such lower temp setting. |
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@seerge: in my case it actually does make sense to lower it. I am trying to reach the quietest setup possible with 10,000 Cinebnech points, so I will use CPU temp limit, power limits, CPU undervolting all together to get to that point. The HX AI 370 is a 12-cores CPU, I think it can reach 24,000 points without contraints. |
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@zackriso temp limit also limits power, you can just set lower power limits then :) you will get more predictable power limits at least in this case |
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@seerge: True, yes, though the good thing about temp limit is that if you run a heavy workload over a long period of time, the CPU compounds heat over time, and setting the CPU temp limit will make it downclock on its own, regardless if the power limit was reached or not. Also, if am running low fan RPMs, and the CPU has not reached the power limit (eg, 35 watts), then the CPU temp limit will kick in at 65C for example. Its an additional option that helps in many scenarios. |
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@seerge Just sharing some suggestions and kind of a wishlist:
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@zackriso hello,
P.S. You can also drag whole curve by holding |
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Hi @seerge , it would be a "Clone" profile button, rather than adding a new one. But I guess copying the fan curve through the config file worked for me as well. Thanks for the great tool, will donate to encourage keeping it alive. |
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If you’re never going to merge the experimental version with main, couldn’t
you have the experimental version update on a separate track? That would
avoid the manual downloads and the confusing auto update behavior but
wouldn’t encourage people who don’t understand the risks/downsides to use
this version.
I’d also buy it as an unlock or something if that was an option offered. I
just want auto updates somehow without losing the benefits of this build.
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@sunlooksgreen <https://github.com/sunlooksgreen> I think you are just
using a mainstream build now (not the one from this branch), probably cause
you have auto-updated to it. Just download one from the head post in this
thread and you will be ok.
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Agree |
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@RainofTerra hello, Currently I don't want to merge this into main branch. And the main reason is, indeed, I don't want to confuse people and offer them an experimental solution 95% (or 99?) don't even need. I can try to adjust auto-update here, but main problem is that whole update checking process is built around Github API, that shows versions of the latest published release https://api.github.com/repos/seerge/g-helper/releases/latest . But you don't seem to have an option to have 2 different releases. And built in this topic is just uploaded manually ... I may try to create a separate repository just for experimental build tho, unless someone knows a better solution |
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Can't the experimental fan component of GHelper just be controlled by an advanced config.json parameter? For the 99% of people who don't use it, nothing would change. For the 1% who do, it could just be a simple addition of "experimental_fan_control" : 1, to enable it. |
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@fscottcopeland it's a bit more difficult than that :) for experimental build G-Helper uses different driver to set fan speeds. So I will have to include lots of changes into the mainstream release to merge them. Currently manual fan control just replaces default custom fan curve :) |
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Ok, I did some tweaks and updated link to the build in the head post here
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I think you can have releases by tag (but not branches). It’d look like:
https://api.github.com/repos/seerge/g-helper/releases/tags/foo
Docs here:
https://docs.github.com/rest/releases/releases#get-a-release-by-tag-name
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@RainofTerra <https://github.com/RainofTerra> hello,
Currently I don't want to merge this into main branch. And the main reason
is, indeed, I don't want to confuse people and offer them an experimental
solution 95% (or 99?) don't even need.
I can try to adjust auto-update here, but main problem is that whole
update checking process is built around Github API, that shows versions of
the latest published release
https://api.github.com/repos/seerge/g-helper/releases/latest . But you
don't seem to have an option to have 2 different releases. And built in
this topic is just uploaded manually ... I may try to create a separate
repository just for experimental build tho, unless someone knows a better
solution
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@RainofTerra that's possible, but currently tag is used as a version identifier (for auto-update checker) :) So most likely it will have to be in other repository. |
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Awesome, thanks!
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Ok, I did some tweaks and updated link to the build in the head post here
- Version label when grey (no new updates) will point to this
discussion
- Version label when red (new updates) will point to
https://g-helper.com/s/GHelper.zip which is latest release of
Experimental build
- Auto update prompt will download https://g-helper.com/s/GHelper.zip
and use it for update
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Is there anyway to achieve the following scenario: When the CPU temp reaches 50C, turn on the fans as usual. Let's say the CPU temp maxes out at 50C. I would like it to cool down to 45C before it stops, rather than 50C. Basically am trying to make the fan stop and start a lot within that 5-10 degrees window. |
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I think this is a good idea because the processor heats up quickly under load. And, for example, during a game where the load jumps, it might be better to keep the fan at a higher speed in case of unnecessary rpm jumps. But maybe a staggered fan graph or something similar would solve this problem. |
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@seerge OK I set the "fan_hysteresis" to 3, but the fans still start and stop instantly at 50C, same as I set them in the graph. Am I missing something? |
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@zackriso hello, default value for |
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@seerge: Ah I see. What is the equivelant of 30 in seconds? |
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@zackriso it's literally ... 30 seconds :) App just calculates average temperature for the last X seconds, and sets fan speed based on it and not on instant one. |
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hi |
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@C4r3s-1 hello, false positives can happen. |
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okay, thanks for the quick reply |
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@C4r3s-1 I have submitted this build to MS Defender database for a review (a good way to whitelist it), and not it seem to be ok according to Virustotal |
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G-helper crashes and froze on me a couple of time, but I was able to these logs from Event Viewer, any idea what could have caused the crashes? Application: GHelper.exe Faulting application name: GHelper.exe, version: 0.197.0.0, time stamp: 0x66e80000 |
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@zackriso which version do you use ? cause this exact reason is already tackled in 0.198 (see original issue from other user). Even Experimental build is updated up to 0.198 so if you will re-download latest one from head post - you should be good. |
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@seerge: I was running 197 actually. Just installed 198, I will let you know if it crashes again. THANK YOU again |
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Hi Seerge - I updated from 0.194 to 0.198 (latest version). I deleted all versions I had downloaded of 0.194, and then simply left the new version with 0.198 and ensured "Run on Startup" is checked on the new version. Thank you. |
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@JayHolden11 it simply means you have placed 194 somewhere and forgot where Just uncheck and check again Run on startup in 0.198 and you will be fine |
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Hi, The fans are much better controled through the bios that i will do, i just want to set a lower rpm. |
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@Woffe85 , it could be possible by setting min fan speed in config to 0 as explained in the main post in this thread:) |
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Hi, |
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is there any way to HWinfo can show the fan RPM? |
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Is it possible to set lower minimums for the GPU power, temps, clocks, and other settings, similar to the CPU? I have a dedicated GPU but I won't be using it for gaming. I rather have it run at the lowest power and temps possible. |
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Hello fellow community,
Recently I have discovered a way to directly set fan speed in percentage points for each fan individually.
It uses same method as MyASUS does when runs your "fan testing".
In existing and standard way to set a "custom" fan curve - fan behavior would be still handled by BIOS and follow it's internal algorithm. This BIOS algorithm is different for different models, sometimes includes a very high hysteresis (delays before acting), can override some custom fan behavior, etc.
In "alternative" approach, it's possible to actually literally manually set fan speed every second based on temperature readings.
This build implements "manual" fan control as soon as you check
Apply Custom Fan Curve, when you uncheck it - fan behavior will be returned back to BIOS.Current implementation details
Potential downsides and risks
Please test on your own risk (!) and only as a last resort in case you can't achieve desired fan behavior otherwise
ExperimentalGHelper.zip
Updated 03.11.2024 (0.198)
Possible params for
config.json(with their default values)"fan_min": 20,- minimum fan speed (in %) when it's not OFF"fan_hysteresis": 6,- number of seconds to calculate average CPU / GPU temp (set 1 for instant reaction)"fan_shift" : 50,- weighted average coefficient between CPU (or GPU) temp and MAX(CPU,GPU) temps in a range from 0 to 100If you see a big (more than 500RPM) difference between fan curve and actual readings - try to click
Calibrate, it will run a quick measurement process and adjust Y-axis to match actual maximum RPMsYou will see what is actually being set as your fan speeds on
Fans+Powerscreen under fan curves chart. Don't forget to clickApply.Beta Was this translation helpful? Give feedback.
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