No output from realtime analysis objects on macOS CI build on older Mac

[leoauri]

Realtime components (fluid.mfcc~, fluid.spectralshape~, ...) give no output in the CI compiled versions from tag/1.0.0, but built on a mac, they do.

This is on

• macbook pro 13-inch mid-2012
• 2.5 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
• macOS Catalina 10.15.7 (19H1922)

Max version

• max4live in Ableton 10.1.43

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Here is a patch which reproduces

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[jamesb93]

Thanks for this, I will try and test this on an i5 at home (I think my partner's air is one) and have a poke.

Appreciate the detailed report :)

[tremblap]

Dear @leoauri can you try the new release and tell us if it is still the case? Thanks

[leoauri]

Hi Pierre,

I did get output from fluid.mfcc~ now, but only one set of values exactly every 11.366 seconds.

Here is the patcher I tested with:

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[jamesb93]

Hi Pierre,

I did get output from fluid.mfcc~ now, but only one set of values exactly every 11.366 seconds.

Here is the patcher I tested with:

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With a hop size of 512 samples at 44.1khz sampling rate that is exactly what you would expect. I think that means the issue is solved :)

[tremblap]

@leoauri do you mean always the same set of values every (signal vector size) or a new value every hop size (hence me using zl change after the descriptors) ?

[leoauri]

Somebody is confused here, maybe me. 44.1k sampling / 512 FFT window, we would expect many analyses per second, not one every eleven seconds?

[leoauri]

I get one list of values at regular ~11 second intervals

[tremblap]

@leoauri here is a slightly more precise measuring patch. with overdrive on, and your signal vector size to something below 512, then I get 11.6ms

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[jamesb93]

Somebody is confused here, maybe me. 44.1k sampling / 512 FFT window, we would expect many analyses per second, not one every eleven seconds?

That somebody is me. I assumed ms without reading carefully ;)

I'll leave you two to it.

[leoauri]

@tremblap A sequence of timings from your patch:

print: 6124.242178
print: 6124.272652
print: 6124.261187
print: 6124.293434
print: 6124.315906

[leoauri]

signal vector size

What's that?

[leoauri]

The fftsettings do not influence the timings. Those above were the default 1024 window, these 512:

print: 6124.320393
print: 6124.266039
print: 6124.186927
print: 6124.33343
...

[leoauri]

what do the -1s refer to in fftsettings 1024 -1 -1 btw?

[tremblap]

svs is your max settings - what are your i/o vector size and your signal vector size in the Audio Status window?

[tremblap]

-1 = default. for 1024 -1 -1 it means 1024 512 1024. -1 for hop means half the window, and -1 for fft means the nearest exponent of 2 on or above the window

[leoauri]

i/o vector size 4096
signal vector size 64
scheduler in overdrive 👍

[leoauri]

-1 = default. for 1024 -1 -1 it means 1024 512 1024. -1 for hop means half the window, and -1 for fft means the nearest exponent of 2 on or above the window

👌

[tremblap]

ok just for the test here, can you try 512 for i/o and keep 64 for s/v and od on. Try this patch instead - much cheaper processing of melbands:

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[leoauri]

Ah. 512 for i/o gives expected ~11ms results. Thing is, apparently I cannot change this setting when Max is using Ableton as the audio host.

[tremblap]

Now that is interesting. Let me do some tests here.

[leoauri]

Also, in max4live, I am now again getting "no output" in both the last patches 😆

[tremblap]

I don't have Ableton here, but you run it at 4096? Here the results in Max at 2048 are almost as expected - @weefuzzy is on holidays this week and I will have to ask him a few questions about expected values in such context.

More soon

[leoauri]

When started with Ableton as the Audio host, i/o is set to 4096 and there are no other values to choose from in the dropdown
Outside of Ableton, the maximum i/o setting available is 2048, and then I get timings under 0.1 ms ...