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Great! I will start the implementation today! |
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@doudar ok so i should use BLE_shifterPosition. In this way i can write the requested position and i can read the position of the SS2k if the user will change it from the joystick, isn't it? @marklogan17 what do you think? |
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Sounds perfect! |
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@cagnulein , I'll try to notify on the same characteristic. If that doesn't work, I'll add another custom characteristic with the notify. I also noticed that our ShifterPosition is currently tracking the running total of motor steps that shifts have added/subtracted from the stepper motor position. I'll reduce that down to a regular number so that you don't need to divide by shiftSteps to get the actual number of shifts. These two shouldn't take me long. On the later todo are one or two bool's to completely disable all internal functions (ERG/Incline, etc) and then expose the motor steps and shifter pressed directly so that all processing could be done outside the ESP32. |
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@doudar sounds good! i will wait these changes so i will implement in one time directly ;) |
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Initial test - debug log from QZ attached and screenshots from NRF connect. Very possible that I screwed up the build on either smartspin or QZ... I haven't gone through the logs myself yet.
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you forgot to enable the ftms_accessory_name" QVariant(QString, "Disabled") setting ;) @marklogan17 |
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Better luck this time. Got it connected. Physical buttons working. Couldn't get to log on smartspin for some reason so I'll have to figure that out. '-' on QZ moved the resistance approx. 5 levels down. '+' didn't seem to do anything. Attaching the log here just for information, hard to diagnose when I can't see what smartspin is seeing. Will get that working and update. |
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Any issues with it getting out of sync in the higher resistance ranges? Do we need to do more work on adapting to a non-linear shift step? Also, I wouldn't worry (too much) about QZ changing the shiftStep if needed. It will go back to the user setting on next boot unless save settings is selected by the user or by QZ using the BLE command to save settings. Also, QZ could possibly remember and restore the shift step when the session completes. This might actually be needed for bikes like the IC4 with 100 different resistance levels since their shift step needs to be larger than 1 bike resistance level to work with Zwift |
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In the 15-26 range that I was in on this ride it was fine. The only place I really saw problems was at 1,2 and maybe 3 resistance yesterday which nobody would really use anyway. So I think we're OK for Echelon with having it linear. Why does the shift step need to be higher than one resistance level for iC4 to work with Zwift? |
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Just because they have the roughly the same resistance range (in watts) but it's divided up into 3x more levels. If you were in sim mode and go up a small incline, you'd have to press the shift button 3 times more than on your echelon. |
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Ah yes, I see what you're saying. Generally though I think QZ is essentially converting the watts to a resistance so for the QZ use case as long as the shift steps are set to the right amount to turn for one resistance level on the bike the QZ usage should be fine. Is that correct @cagnulein? |
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@marklogan17 yes totally right. i think one brain is enough between SS2k and QZ :D |
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Sweet!
I'll do some more stability testing and work this into a new release this weekend then. Thanks for the help @cagnulein and @marklogan17
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@doudar check this out https://www.facebook.com/groups/149984563348738/permalink/235370781476782 !! |
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I actually don't have a Facebook account anymore. Can you summarize? Otherwise maybe I can check it out later with my wife's account. @marklogan17 , could you check out the and test the latest ss2k develop ? Huge and awesome changes in there and I'd like to make sure nothing is broken before I make a release with it. |
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I'm out for a few hours. Will test tonight if I get home in time, if not tomorrow morning... |
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@doudar I tried to test this last night but I was getting a certificate error when I was trying to flash it. I'll grab the latest a little later and give it a try. |
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Never mind. Restarted flash tool and it worked. Will test shortly. |
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It was just the post of mark about your latest development on the echelon!
You should create a fake account and join ;)
Il giorno dom 27 giu 2021 alle 20:33 Anthony Doud ***@***.***>
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@doudar <https://github.com/doudar> check this out
https://www.facebook.com/groups/149984563348738/permalink/235370781476782
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I actually don't have a Facebook account anymore. Can you summarize?
Otherwise maybe I can check it out later with my wife's account.
@marklogan17 <https://github.com/marklogan17> , could you check out the
and test the latest ss2k develop ? Huge and awesome changes in there and
I'd like to make sure nothing is broken before I make a release with it.
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Had a strange experience today. SS2K would start up and work properly - up and down physical buttons were fine. I set QZ on my iPhone to connect for the first time and it worked. So then I proceeded to do more UI config on QZ (which tiles, etc). Then I restarted it and connected and SS2K went right up to max resistance on the Echelon and tried to go further. I unplugged, manually turned down the resistance and tried again. Same thing. So then I killed the iOS app and tried on my Android. Same thing. Tried no QZ connection and it was fine. I eventually got it to settle down, I think by starting SS2K and hitting the physical up button and waiting a bit. Not sure if that actually did anything or I just got lucky. The target resistance on QZ was never 32 or above. Felt more like the 'zero' command wasn't working properly. Logs below (I hope they caught it). iOS_debug-Fri_Jul_2_16_06_40_2021.log |
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No the original one I had working. I experienced some strange things when I tested the new version so I reverted - experienced the same and then they cleared up. So I don't believe there's any issue with the new version but I haven't had time to go back and figure that out. Just been a crazy week... I'm going to build the latest tonight but not sure if I'll get a chance to try it tonight. |
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Okay, just keep in mind that it may not work with the current release. |
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@marklogan17 i guess i understood it and fixed. Try to build the latest commit d42f295 |
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Sounds good. Will try in a couple of hours... |
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Grabbed the latest, built and installed. Just hit the same problem. This time I started SS2K, started QZ, hit + on QZ and nothing, hit physical up button and it went up, but then went up an extra level. Hit + on QZ and nothing. Killed QZ, restarted and it started increasing up to 32 when I unplugged SS2K. |
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The problem that I saw now it’s fixed so probably was something else. I
will check it tomorrow
Il giorno sab 3 lug 2021 alle 22:04 marklogan17 ***@***.***>
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Grabbed the latest, built and installed. Just hit the same problem. This
time I started SS2K, started QZ, hit + on QZ and nothing, hit physical up
button and it went up, but then went up an extra level. Hit + on QZ and
nothing. Killed QZ, restarted and it started increasing up to 32 when I
unplugged SS2K.
debug-Sat_Jul_3_16_00_48_2021.log
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@marklogan17 did you always have the startup resistance set to 20? because i guess it's the issue. |
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I don't remember changing it - certainly not on the iPhone. What should I have it at? Zero? |
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Yea try to set it to 0 or 1
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I don't remember changing it - certainly not on the iPhone. What should I
have it at? Zero?
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Just did another test. I was finishing testing the Echelon connection so I had virtual device and virtual echelon enabled. I disabled them and killed QZ. I started SS2K running, started QZ, it sat for a second. I hit the physical + button and it went up and then kept going up. Unplugged SS2K, let it sit a second, started it up, it connected to QZ and started going up again. Log attached. I haven't had a chance to dig into the code. Hoping I can find half hour tomorrow to at least start looking to see what's going on. I may at least try to put a simple debug line in SS2K and turn off the other info so I can see exactly what is coming across and narrow down the issue. |
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@marklogan17 i'm telling you what i saw in this log, tell me if it's correct.
I think there is a problem after the 2nd point. I mean: did you change the resistance manually when we saw that the echelon resistance rised but the SS2K didn't? It seems that the bike and the SS2K will go unsync just after the initial calibration :O |
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That looks like what I saw. To answer your question, I didn't touch the resistance at all. It just started spinning and keeps going. I'm going to grab my computer and have a peek a the SS2K code. I'll also get the build on the SS2K device up to the latest on the devlop branch. At the very least I may be able to throw some logging in there that tells me why it starts spinning. |
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@marklogan17 hmm ok so it sounds to me like a SS2K issue. I mean, i'm not interact with it except for the init phase. |
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OK, I think I may be on to something here and it should be reasonably easy to test. I've felt its a timing issue because sometimes it just works and is quite stable. I spent a bunch of time getting SS2K to build and install - turns out the logging I added in the move loop was causing a panic. Oops. Anyway, long story short, once I got it running immediately I got the problem. I had added some logging in the BLE server code in SS2K and I could see it tell QZ that the current resistance was zero, then I saw QZ put it in sync mode and set the resistance to 19 and then turn off sync mode but the motor was running. So what do I think may be happening? Well what if sync mode is getting turned off before the move loop has a chance to process the 'update location but don't move' request. I think when we turned on the sync mode and sent 19 as the resistance, we turned off sync mode the move loop jumped in and decided that it had to add 19 levels of resistance. That explains why there's no logging of events or anything else happening and the resistance on SS2K isn't changing - you've set 19 as the resistance and darn it, its going to get to 19 :) So what I'm going to do is put a nice big sleep in the code in QZ where it syncs the resistance. I don't think that's the ideal answer but it should prove out my theory. I'll let you know what I find out in the next few hours. |
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Yeah i was proposing to you the same solution while i was reading your
trials. So yes, if it works i guess you proved out your theory ;)
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Il giorno lun 5 lug 2021 alle ore 22:09 marklogan17 <
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… OK, I think I may be on to something here and it should be reasonably easy
to test. I've felt its a timing issue because sometimes it just works and
is quite stable. I spent a bunch of time getting SS2K to build and install
- turns out the logging I added in the move loop was causing a panic. Oops.
Anyway, long story short, once I got it running immediately I got the
problem. I had added some logging in the BLE server code in SS2K and I
could see it tell QZ that the current resistance was zero, then I saw QZ
put it in sync mode and set the resistance to 19 and then turn off sync
mode but the motor was running.
So what do I think may be happening? Well what if sync mode is getting
turned off before the move loop has a chance to process the 'update
location but don't move' request. I think when we turned on the sync mode
and sent 19 as the resistance, we turned off sync mode the move loop jumped
in and decided that it had to add 19 levels of resistance. That explains
why there's no logging of events or anything else happening and the
resistance on SS2K isn't changing - you've set 19 as the resistance and
darn it, its going to get to 19 :)
So what I'm going to do is put a nice big sleep in the code in QZ where it
syncs the resistance. I don't think that's the ideal answer but it should
prove out my theory. I'll let you know what I find out in the next few
hours.
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OK I'm convinced that's the problem. I added a 2 second sleep before turning off 'notify' mode and it worked 100% of the time. Even better, when I went back to my iPhone without the delay it failed 100% of the time. Then to be doubly sure, I tested with the Android version which 'notified' SS2K that the resistance was 20. Then I closed the Android QZ and opened QZ on my iPhone. It worked perfectly because it 'notified' SS2K that the resistance was 20, which already matched SS2K's expectations, so it didn't try and move the resistance up 20 levels. I then shut down QZ, shutdown SS2K, started SS2K, started QZ on iPhone and sure enough, it notified '20' and the motor started turning. This is the only change I made in QZ: I'm not sure that's the best solution as SS2K should probably ensure the motor doesn't move until the 'operation' of the notify mode is completed. However this sleep in QZ isn't a bad thing either way... |
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It’s very ugly but in the end if it works who cares :)
I guess it should be analyzed more in the SS2K code anyway
I will commit this in the master today
Thanks Mark!
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Il giorno mar 6 lug 2021 alle 01:17 marklogan17 ***@***.***>
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OK I'm convinced that's the problem. I added a 2 second sleep before
turning off 'notify' mode and it worked 100% of the time. Even better, when
I went back to my iPhone without the delay it failed 100% of the time. Then
to be doubly sure, I tested with the Android version which 'notified' SS2K
that the resistance was 20. Then I closed the Android QZ and opened QZ on
my iPhone. It worked perfectly because it 'notified' SS2K that the
resistance was 20, which already matched SS2K's expectations, so it didn't
try and move the resistance up 20 levels. I then shut down QZ, shutdown
SS2K, started SS2K, started QZ on iPhone and sure enough, it notified '20'
and the motor started turning.
This is the only change I made in QZ:
writeCharacteristic(enable_syncmode, sizeof(enable_syncmode),
"BLE_syncMode enabling", false, true);
forceResistance(startupResistance);
QThread::sleep(2);
writeCharacteristic(disable_syncmode, sizeof(disable_syncmode),
"BLE_syncMode disabling", false, true);
I'm not sure that's the best solution as SS2K should probably ensure the
motor doesn't move until the 'operation' of the notify mode is completed.
However this sleep in QZ isn't a bad thing either way...
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Just did a quick iOS test. Turned on SS2K, started QZ, immediately started increasing resistance. Turned both off. Upgraded QZ to latest testflight version, turned on SS2K, started QZ, worked perfectly. So while I still don't think its the best solution, it certainly seems to solve it for now. |
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@marklogan17 / @cagnulein - I know this is a very old thread but I just stumbled on the QZ app in the apple app store. I have a SmartSpin2k that gets its power from assioma power pedals. I also have a peloton account so I paid for the swag bag in the QZ app, entered my peloton creds and restarted. The app upon first boot looks like it's cycling through a bunch of bluetooth devices - it flashes the smartspin2k but never seems to connect or at least nothing makes me think it connects (I've disabled bluetooth on the device that the smartspin2k was connected to). If I start a peloton ride it promps if I want it to use that ride...but no metrics on the screen ever change. I found the smartspin2k under the Settings>Accessories>SmartSpin2k which seems to force the bluetooth to the SmartSpin...but again nothing seems to happen - no cadence or power is showing in the app. Is there something else I need to do? |
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@doudar / @cagnulein - here is a log from SS2K and from QZ for the same session - where SS2K freezes seconds after QZ connects. SS2K Log - QZ App Freezing SS2K.txt |
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@cagnulein , for some reason after sync mode turns on, SS2k is getting told to simulate Watts, CAD and HR, and those values are looped back. When simulate is turned on, it will override any values coming from sensors (The wired Peloton bike in this case). I think you may have done this to enable SS2K to preform ERG mode on it's own when using sensors connected directly to QZ, so I'm not exactly sure the solution without breaking that use case. Suggestions? Maybe an if QZ is receiving power data from SS2k, don't enable simulate. Otherwise, if QZ is connected directly to power/cad data, then report those back to SS2k?
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FYI - just remember that while my bike is a peloton - none of it's sensors are used....in fact the bike isn't even plugged in....so the use case for me is more along the lines of a magnetic resistance dumb spin bike with no sensors. Only sensor it has is from the assioma power pedals (which is what SS2K is using). |
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@doudar it makes sense, i can address this one. if the ss2k is a power sensor i can disable this logic @Lunchtime0614 |
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I think this would be great feature. Thanks - it'll be in the next update to the iOS app? |
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Oh! Interesting. I assumed that you were using the Peloton serial...I guess I should have noticed that in the logs. In either case, possibly the above logic still applies? |
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In any case, (I'm not fluent in QZ), I believe that if you switch your BLE SS2k settings to "none" and save, it should work with QZ. |
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From what I understand, it seems your logic suggestion makes sense but @cagnulein needs to weigh in given my specific use case...as I only have a loose understanding of how SS2k and QZ work - - not a software engineer here :) |
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Where would I do this - and will the assiomas still connect? |
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While connected to the same network as the SS2k, Go to http://smartspin2k.local/bluetoothscanner.html . Select "none" on all three dropdown boxes. SS2k will then NOT connect to any of your sensors (You will use QZ to connect to them) and will rely on QZ to report them back. |
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@Lunchtime0614 in this scenario, use the assioma with the qz in the power sensor setting, and set the ss2k under accesories |
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Or are you saying to connect the assiomas directly to QZ and not feed the power through SS2K? Humm I think I don't want to do that as I actually have 2 use cases.
Basically my wife would use QZ to ride Peloton App rides with auto resistance. And I create custom ZWO files for my 'more serious' training...that SS2K sets the resistance on by using the Assiomas. So I'd like to 'hopefully' just set QZ to use the SS2k for her, then I wouldn't use QZ at all but continue to use my ZWO files also just by pairing SS2k. |
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QZ can follow ZWO files too so use it for that in your scenario. |
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This is what I mentioned in my response to you. All bluetooth set to 'none' in SS2K. Go into the settings find where its searching for bluetooth devices, set them to none and save. QZ needs to connect to your pedals, not SS2K in this scenario. The question is going to be whether there's enough information in the pedals to TELL QZ what it needs to set the resistance to without actual resistance information fed back from the bike. Maybe this is like the iC4 config?? |
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Ahh - guess I didn't understand what you meant :) |
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I agree with all of the above, but in addition, I think it would be FANTASTIC if @cagnulein could implement some smart switching logic as discussed above as this seems to be a common stumbling block for users on the integration of the two. |
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sure! I will do it! @Lunchtime0614 first try the thing that I asked previously |
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Ok I've tried a few things but there's so many different settings I'm not sure which one you want me to set. I've seemingly tried all combinations of these settings but nothing seems to be working (I've disconnected the pedals from the SS2k).
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nope, leave it blank
yes
ss2k send me a debug log in this context |
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Ahh I see - the FTMS bike setting is not yet in the android beta - at least I don't see it in the same spot as in iOS? |
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it is, and it's in the same spot. are you sure you update the app on the play store after joining the beta? |
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I joined beta first - app says version 2.14.0. On the play store it lists the title of the app as "(beta)" at the end of it. |
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so it's not the beta. google takes some hours sometimes to allow you to download it |
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ok I'll check in some time - even though the play store says i'm in the beta - odd. What's the version number I should see so I know when it's there? |
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2.16.22 at least
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… ok I'll check in some time - even though the play store says i'm in the
beta - odd. What's the version number I should see so I know when it's
there?
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App updated to the beta version on android...it's working the same as before on iOS. May try a peloton row class with my concept 2 rower tomorrow - I see some row stuff in the settings. |
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Yes qz is also compatible with rowers and peloton rower classes
Il giorno lun 27 nov 2023 alle 22:22 Lunchtime0614 ***@***.***>
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… App updated to the beta version on android...it's working the same as
before on iOS. May try a peloton row class with my concept 2 rower tomorrow
- I see some row stuff in the settings.
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Roberto, if you're interested, SmartSpin2k now has a custom characteristic developed for apps like yours to provide more or less direct control over the SS2K.
No doubt there are more overrides and variables that need to be added to the spec as well as probably some bugs to be worked out, however this has been pushed as a new OTA release so existing units have this capability today.
Service UUID is: 77776277-7877-7774-4466-896665500000
Characteristic UUID is: 77776277-7877-7774-4466-896665500001
Documentation:
https://github.com/doudar/SmartSpin2k/blob/develop/CustomCharacteristic.md
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