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Here is the relevant code which takes the wind into account: jsbsim/src/models/FGAuxiliary.cpp Lines 145 to 167 in 318c804 |
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Yep, although your second reference to If you take a look at Take a look at for example https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19980028448/downloads/19980028448.pdf which mentions |
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@Dobid In general, those rates should be time dependent, and more in general, they should be modified by the aircraft presence in the same field. As a first approximation, the gust field is considered 'frozen in time' therefore the rates Example of Reference: |
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@Dobid you mentioned:
Rereading this and glancing at the JSBSim source code again, I'm not 100% certain what you meant. Just to be clear See the following query on https://github.com/search?q=repo%3AJSBSim-Team%2Fjsbsim+AeroPQR&type=code
Although the jsbsim/src/models/FGAuxiliary.cpp Lines 394 to 396 in 330a6e3 |
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@Dobid talking of wind effects @agodemar was one of the authors on the following paper and implementation - Flight Load Assessment for Light Aircraft Landing Trajectories in Windy Atmosphere and Near Wind Farms. In this case the wind vector field is calculated via CFD by OpenFOAM ahead of time, and then interpolated to generate a NED wind vector for each timestep for the aircraft's current position. I've seen this sort of approach also applied to modelling the burble behind an aircraft carrier to see how it affects aircraft landing on the carrier. |
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@Dobid there is a good description in the CVN Airwake Modeling and Integration: Initial Steps in the Creation and Implementation of a Virtual Burble for F-18 Carrier Landing Simulations paper with regards to modelling direct moments from turbulence, similar to what @agodemar referred to in the thesis link above.
As in the referenced F-18 aerodynamic model JSBSim also only calculates a single AoA and doesn't have any current support for creating additional direct moments from the turbulence models.
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@Dobid I mentioned above:
So it is the case that JSBSim doesn't internally replace the inertial rates Lines 786 to 796 in 330a6e3 Lines 706 to 716 in 330a6e3 Lines 718 to 728 in 330a6e3 |
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Yep, I saw that literally after I pushed My general personal preference is to reply at the end of the comment stream as opposed to in a thread. But there is no hard and fast rule.
Yes, but only if the person developing the FDM for the particular aircraft type uses them. JSBSim doesn't internally automatically replace the inertial rates with the air relative versions for any of the aerodynamic force or moment calculations. Unlike how turbulence was added to the F-18 HARV simulation - Implementation and Testing of Turbulence Models for the F-18-HARV Simultion |
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Ok so JSBSim does not impose the usage of So, is it safe to assume that there is a "consensus" for using wind relative PQR in the aerodynamic forces and moments as a way of simulating turbulence effects on an aircraft ? Because even if JSBSim doesn't explicitly make use of vAeroPQR in aerodynamic calculations, wouldn't it be odd to compute turbulence PQR (thus vAeroPQR) for not using it in the dynamics ? |
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Yep, I'd say that's a fairly accurate summary. So whether it's a constant wind vector or a time/space varying wind vector it will change What JSBSim doesn't model is additional direct aerodynamic moments due to varying wind velocities along the wingspan and length of the aircraft like some simulations, e.g. the F-18 carrier landing paper I mentioned above. |
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Ok so JSBSim does not impose the usage of
vAeroPQR
as an input of aerodynamic forces and moments.It is up to the FDM designer to use PQR or AeroPQR in the aerodynamics calculations.
However, I've checked a couple of FDMs provided by JSBSim (F-16, C172P, Concorde...) and they all use AeroPQR, which also seems to be what the authors of the F-18 HARV simulation did.
I've also stumbled upon the Matlab Dryden function from the Aerospace toolbox. Which specifies turbulence angular rates as one of its outputs, just like what JSBSim does for the Milspec turbulence model.
So, is it safe to assume that there is a "consensus" for using wind relative PQR in the aerodynamic forces and moments as a wa…