diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index ab39a9a62..ddc8f7555 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
 
 .PHONY: build-keri
 build-keri:
-	@docker buildx build --platform=linux/amd64 --no-cache -f images/keripy.dockerfile --tag weboftrust/keri:1.1.0 .
+	@docker buildx build --platform=linux/amd64 -f images/keripy.dockerfile --tag weboftrust/keri:1.1.0 .
 
 .PHONY: build-witness-demo
 build-witness-demo:
-	@@docker buildx build --platform=linux/amd64 --no-cache -f images/witness.demo.dockerfile --tag weboftrust/keri-witness-demo:1.1.0 .
+	@@docker buildx build --platform=linux/amd64 -f images/witness.demo.dockerfile --tag weboftrust/keri-witness-demo:1.1.0 .
 
 .PHONY: publish-keri
 publish-keri:
diff --git a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/join.py b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/join.py
index 257d11de0..f792f61a4 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/join.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/join.py
@@ -333,7 +333,7 @@ def rotate(self, attrs):
             prefixer = coring.Prefixer(qb64=ghab.pre)
             seqner = coring.Seqner(sn=serder.sn)
 
-            yield from self.startCounselor(ghab, prefixer, seqner, serder.saider)
+            yield from self.startCounselor(ghab, prefixer, seqner, coring.Saider(qb64=serder.said))
 
             print()
             displaying.printIdentifier(self.hby, ghab.pre)
diff --git a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/rotate.py b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/rotate.py
index eb0c6eefe..04fcc3056 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/rotate.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/multisig/rotate.py
@@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ def rotateDo(self, tymth, tock=0.0, **opts):
                               serder=exn,
                               attachment=bytearray(ims))
 
-        self.counselor.start(ghab=ghab, prefixer=prefixer, seqner=seqner, saider=rserder.saider)
+        self.counselor.start(ghab=ghab, prefixer=prefixer, seqner=seqner, saider=coring.Saider(qb64=rserder.said))
 
         while True:
             saider = self.hby.db.cgms.get(keys=(ghab.pre, seqner.qb64))
diff --git a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/vc/create.py b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/vc/create.py
index 507746276..0c1a9e743 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/cli/commands/vc/create.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/cli/commands/vc/create.py
@@ -225,7 +225,7 @@ def createDo(self, tymth, tock=0.0):
         self.registrar.issue(self.creder, iserder, aserder)
 
         acdc = signing.serialize(self.creder, coring.Prefixer(qb64=iserder.pre), coring.Seqner(sn=iserder.sn),
-                                 iserder.saider)
+                                 coring.Saider(qb64=iserder.said))
 
         if isinstance(self.hab, habbing.GroupHab):
             smids = self.hab.db.signingMembers(pre=self.hab.pre)
diff --git a/src/keri/app/delegating.py b/src/keri/app/delegating.py
index 68ddbedad..f7c604935 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/delegating.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/delegating.py
@@ -190,7 +190,7 @@ def processPartialWitnessEscrow(self):
                         continue
                 print(f"Witness receipts complete, {pre} confirmed.")
                 self.hby.db.dpwe.rem(keys=(pre, said))
-                self.hby.db.cdel.put(keys=(pre, seqner.qb64), val=serder.saider)
+                self.hby.db.cdel.put(keys=(pre, seqner.qb64), val=coring.Saider(qb64=serder.said))
 
 
 def loadHandlers(hby, exc, notifier):
diff --git a/src/keri/core/eventing.py b/src/keri/core/eventing.py
index 18a714d69..85b45f4ea 100644
--- a/src/keri/core/eventing.py
+++ b/src/keri/core/eventing.py
@@ -4494,7 +4494,7 @@ def processEscrowPartialSigs(self):
                         srdr = self.db.findAnchoringEvent(pre=delpre, anchor=anchor)
                         if srdr is not None:
                             delseqner = coring.Seqner(sn=srdr.sn)
-                            delsaider = srdr.saider
+                            delsaider = coring.Saider(qb64=srdr.said)
                             couple = delseqner.qb64b + delsaider.qb64b
                             self.db.putPde(dgkey, couple)
 
diff --git a/src/keri/vdr/credentialing.py b/src/keri/vdr/credentialing.py
index cd4519bf2..f6a388ce2 100644
--- a/src/keri/vdr/credentialing.py
+++ b/src/keri/vdr/credentialing.py
@@ -443,7 +443,7 @@ def issue(self, said, dt=None):
         if self.noBackers:
             serder = eventing.issue(vcdig=said, regk=self.regk, dt=dt)
         else:
-            serder = eventing.backerIssue(vcdig=said, regk=self.regk, regsn=self.regi, regd=self.regser.saider.qb64,
+            serder = eventing.backerIssue(vcdig=said, regk=self.regk, regsn=self.regi, regd=self.regser.said,
                                           dt=dt)
 
         self.processEvent(serder=serder)
@@ -473,7 +473,7 @@ def revoke(self, said, dt=None):
         if self.noBackers:
             serder = eventing.revoke(vcdig=vci, regk=self.regk, dig=iserder.said, dt=dt)
         else:
-            serder = eventing.backerRevoke(vcdig=vci, regk=self.regk, regsn=self.regi, regd=self.regser.saider.qb64,
+            serder = eventing.backerRevoke(vcdig=vci, regk=self.regk, regsn=self.regi, regd=self.regser.said,
                                            dig=iserder.said, dt=dt)
 
         self.processEvent(serder=serder)
@@ -831,7 +831,8 @@ def issue(self, creder, serder):
         self.rgy.reger.cmse.put(keys=(creder.said, seqner.qb64), val=creder)
 
         try:
-            self.verifier.processCredential(creder=creder, prefixer=prefixer, seqner=seqner, saider=serder.saider)
+            self.verifier.processCredential(creder=creder, prefixer=prefixer, seqner=seqner,
+                                            saider=coring.Saider(qb64=serder.said))
         except kering.MissingRegistryError:
             pass